The REAL C&C plot

[Agent Saimon]

There are many debates and theories about "what are the real Command and Conquer games". There are 3 parallel series and each one has the "command and conquer" title. I want to present my opinion.

The Tiberian Saga consists of:

Red Alert [RA]
Tiberian Dawn (Also known as Command and Conquer1) [TD]
Tiberian Sun [TS]
TS:Firestorm [FS]
Tiberian Twilight (not in the foreseeable future) [TT]Many claim that Red Alert is not related to Tiberium story. It is wrong. The proof is in the end of the Soviet Campaign in the first Red Alert.

A short introduction: Stalin celebrates victory. Nadya gives him tea. Stalin gives us compliments after we won the final battle. Then he looks at Nadia and giggles. Then we hear something like this:


STALIN: [I]Nadia, this tea is truly excellent!
NADIA: Thank you, I prepared it myself.

Stalin laughs, gasps, drops the tea cup and falls towards the table.

STALIN: P-poison .... y-you bitch!

Nadia goes to slap Stalin, who grabs her hand. Kane whips out a gun and holds it to Stalins head. Stalin gasps once and dies.
Nadia grabs the gun from Kane.

NADIA: You bastard pig! ... BLAM! ... BLAM! ... BLAM!... BLAM! You'll never touch me with your filthy hands again! .... BLAM!

Kane takes the gun away from Nadia, who then looks up toward camera.

NADIA: Well General, this temporary chaos in Europe will only help to fuel the Brotherhood's cause. For centuries we have waited to emerge from the shadows and now we will make ourselves known. Nadia looks down at the table, as if she was reading something.
NADIA: And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and took up residence [laughingly] in the land of Nod.

Nadia looks back up to the camera.

NADIA: You have done well to serve us, and for that you should be rewarded. We estimate that the Brotherhood will .. tire .. of the USSR in the early 1990s.

Nadia looks at Kane for confirmation and he nods in agreement.

NADIA: Until then, you will keep the peace. Fight battles where you must. And you will remain our loyal and obediant servant. For the forseeable future.

Kane fires one shot into her back.

KANE The forseeable future.

Tight shot of Kane looking at camera.

KANE Comrade Chairman, I am that future!


What do we see? A direct connection to the beginning of the Tiberian Dawn. NOD used USSR. Kane was the main adviser of Stalin and when Soviets won, he killed him. Then he put a puppet regime in USSR and vanished into the shadows. After a while the Soviet Union collapses by itself and we come to situation that is similar to the 90's in our real world. The ground is ready for Tiberium and Brotherhood. Terrorism, regional wars, third world problems, instability- all that plays into NOD's hands. And the coming of tiberium meteor is the final sign.
That version also explains the big infrastructure of nod- they used the dying soviet union.

What about Red alert 2? It is not connected to the Tiberium story. And more than that. Red Alert 1 was excelent- it raised a good question (what would happen if Hitler wouldn't start WWII), it was original, realistic and interesting.
Red Alert 2 is not just unconnected to the plot. That game is awful and insulting! They made fun of Soviets (and the whole Russian people!)- The clown Romanov, that freak Yuri, the strange unit Crazy Ivan. They even vulgarized Tanya! The events that lead to Red Alert 2 are also doubtful. The Soviets would win WW2, not the Allies.
[Two important notes: No disrespect to RA2 fans intended; Maybe I will post a separate article on the RA2 issue.]

The last series, "Generals" are not related to command and conquer. It is a dirty capitalistic trick, so that fans of the original C&C would buy the game. I must admit it is not a bad game, but it isn't the true C&C. They even took another composer instead of Frank Klepacki!

Only one game can complete the COMMAND AND CONQUER SAGA- Tiberian Twilight. But it must not be " just another" game. This should be masterpiece as RA1, TD, TS. The original story makers, actors and Frank Klepacki should be involved. Anything else wouldn't be authentic Command and Conquer, and should be considered as a treason, a sin against humanity, and a crime against Kane.

WESTWOOD LIVES IN DEATH!

[assinatin]

Im not sure about this one.

When he reffers to the broatherhood he may be talking about yuri and romonof.
The allies put them into power after ra2.

I understand what you are saying. but there may be more than one kane.

Other than that it looks like that is part of the tiberium story.

nice find,


peace through power.

[Agent Saimon]

Im not sure about this one.

When he reffers to the broatherhood he may be talking about yuri and romonof.
The allies put them into power after ra2.

I understand what you are saying. but there may be more than one kane.

Other than that it looks like that is part of the tiberium story.

nice find,


peace through power.
There is only ONE Brotherhood, and there is only ONE KANE. RA2 is unrelated to the Tiberium saga. 100%

[I forgat "ONE" before Kane]

[The Eagle]

there is only KANE.

How do you know? Yuri could have cloned him and the Allies could have chrono'd him to there :p

[Agent Saimon]

How do you know? Yuri could have cloned him and the Allies could have chrono'd him to there :p

RA2 is not connected. Yuri can not be compared to Kane. RA2 can not be compared to anything regards the plot of C&C.

[Clazzy]

Red Alert, according to an interview with WW, isn't connected to the Tiberian universe, so you know.

[assinatin]

yea who owns the future owns the past so maby yuri used a time machine ?

[Luk3us]

You're all wrong!

I love them both, but I love where we went with the RA universe slightly more. They (were) always planned to be one continuous universe! Someday maybe I'll have the gumption to explain how they tied back into each other. It was pretty cool, if I do say so myself. Yuri fit and everything!

:D

[ChopBam]

Actually, the Allies did win RA1. Remember that one briefing where the newslady is talking about the Allies talking about forming a Global Defense Initiative?

So, RA2 can fit, just between RA1 and C&C. The 1960s or 70s. Remember, the stories always continue as if the good guys won. GDI and Allies always officially win the campaigns in order to set up the next game.

Agent Saimon, it's always better just to see the movie rather than spoil it, wouldn't you agree? ;)
I've got the movie clip right here (http://www.cncdepot.net/tutorials/sovfinal.zip) in a ZIP file. Now instead of just reading the story, you get to see teh movie! Teh source! Ok I'll shut up now. :p

[assinatin]

wow is there anyone in that video that doesnt die?

[ChopBam]

wow is there anyone in that video that doesnt die?
Yeah, Kane. :p

[assinatin]

well he kind of does. but is resurected with some kind of mini eva inside him

[Agent Saimon]

Actually, the Allies did win RA1. Remember that one briefing where the newslady is talking about the Allies talking about forming a Global Defense Initiative?

So, RA2 can fit, just between RA1 and C&C. The 1960s or 70s. Remember, the stories always continue as if the good guys won. GDI and Allies always officially win the campaigns in order to set up the next game.

Agent Saimon, it's always better just to see the movie rather than spoil it, wouldn't you agree? ;)
I've got the movie clip right here (http://www.cncdepot.net/tutorials/sovfinal.zip) in a ZIP file. Now instead of just reading the story, you get to see teh movie! Teh source! Ok I'll shut up now. :p

I know the ending of Soviet Campaign by heart.
There is NO WAY RA2 can fit. NO WAY.

And about RA1- I think that those were the Soviets who won the war. They were stronger, they had Kane orchestrating the operation, and it is simple the best ending, that fits perfectly in the plot.

[Agent Saimon]

well he kind of does. but is resurected with some kind of mini eva inside him
?¬¬ No offence, but you should refresh your C&C memory...

[Clazzy]

And you should learn to edit posts, and not double-post.

By the way, strength isn't everything. In WW1/2, the Allied forces still won despite the Germans having superior firepower and infantry.

[ChopBam]

I know the ending of Soviet Campaign by heart.
There is NO WAY RA2 can fit. NO WAY.

And about RA1- I think that those were the Soviets who won the war. They were stronger, they had Kane orchestrating the operation, and it is simple the best ending, that fits perfectly in the plot.

Kane was not orchestrating the operation. Stalin was. One can say that Kane was Stalin's assistant.
BTW, Kane was orchestrating the operation in C&C, and GDI still won.

Also, remember that RA2 never happened because YR happened instead.

[Agent Saimon]

And you should learn to edit posts, and not double-post.

By the way, strength isn't everything. In WW1/2, the Allied forces still won despite the Germans having superior firepower and infantry.

No problem.

Well, mostly it does. Germans were stronger relative to any European country. But not stronger than all the Allies.

[assinatin]

yea they kind of were, but we had more people.

and i know its been a while scince ive played the original

[Rikko]

I once had an interesting discussion about Yuri. The guy told me Kane could have gone through plastic surgery to become Yuri:D

[assinatin]

well that is weird ...

[ChopBam]

It is weird indeed, all considering Yuri's Revenge takes place between RA1 and C&C, both starring Kane as a character.

[MadBadger]

lalala time for me to crash the party :D heres what i think the time line is :D

Allies win RA, RA2 'n' YR occur....... then who knows maybe RA3?

Soviets win RA, Tiberum timeline :D (TD,R,TS,FS,TT)

[assinatin]

maby a new one will come out and be based before c and c

[ChopBam]

One would hope that RA3 would tie the RA and CNC universes together, but I doubt EA would perform such a thing.

[assinatin]

i think they are like parallel

so one is when kane wins ect..

[MadBadger]

Wait listen..... is that the sound of.... no wait it is..... Its people saying 'isnt that what the badger said?'

[assinatin]

nope i dont hear it.

[Luk3us]

I hear nothing also... I think the Badger is losing his mind.... ;)

[assinatin]

and nobody cares...

[DeathRay2K]

I for one agree completely with MadBadger. In fact I am sure that is the case. :)

[Littlebry]

Lets see is it this

Defeat of the Allies= Kane built the Brotherhood of Nod, They started the GDI, kane killed, then TT?
Defeat of the Soviets= Romanov attacking the United States, Yuri's betrayal, Carville's death, Victory for the Allies(again), RA3?

[ChopBam]

Carville doesn't die. YR happens.
Sure, RA3 can happen after YR.

[The Eagle]

Second time in this forum, im lost.

[MadBadger]

2nd time in the forum


Defeat of the Allies= Kane built the Brotherhood of Nod, They started the GDI, kane killed, then TT?
Defeat of the Soviets= Romanov attacking the United States, Yuri's betrayal, Carville's death, Victory for the Allies(again), RA3?

didnt i say that first? :D


I would like to know more about the Scrin when did they first crash and am i going nuts or is 'investigation of a large explosion in the Tunguska region' and 'a convoy thats vanished' mentioned at the begining of one of the breifings in RA. Its sorta like stalin and his lietenant are talking and youve inturuped them. It could be when the Scrin has crashed and kanes covered it up.


Tunguska explosion
http://www.psi.edu/projects/siberia/siberia.html


@DeathRay2K Hey someone i wont be giving hearing aids or glasses to :D ta :D

[Agent Saimon]

RA- Soviets Win (90% of C&C fans+ most of the original WS crew will disagree).
Nadia kills Stalin, Kane kills Nadia. Kane builds the infrastracture for the Brotherhood to rise, and vanishes.
After a few decades USSR collapses.
90's in Tiberian Universe are pretty much the same to the real 90's

TD- GDI win, Kane "killed" by ion cannon, NOD disintegrates.

TS- Slavick unites NOD, Kane returns, and leads NOD into the Second Tiberian War. NOD wins. GDI were hit hard, but survive. Solomon killed. CABAL was destroyed by GDI.

FS- After a few years CABAL is ressurected both by GDI and NOD. Programmed by Kane, he urges Tiberian contamination and evolution of tiberium-based creatures.
GDI unites with NOD and they destroy CABAL's forces.

TT- Scrin come and Third Tiberian War begins.
How did it end? Check out the "End of C&C Saga" thread.

[Clazzy]

RA- Soviets Win (90% of C&C fans+ most of the original WS crew will disagree).

I still completely disagree about Red Alert and Tiberian Dawn being connected, but you're forgetting one key point here. Even if the Soviets took control of Europe, it wouldn't be restored to a powerful, capitalist continent after about ten-twenty years. Think of Russia right now. The socialist state that it once was has been gone for over 15 years, but it's still a mess, economically.

[MadBadger]

Russia is in the state it is as it didnt 'bow' down to america and accept manufaturing contracts. Look at china there coming up in the world now after being 'Made in china' for all this time and there comunists.

[Agent Saimon]

I still completely disagree about Red Alert and Tiberian Dawn being connected, but you're forgetting one key point here. Even if the Soviets took control of Europe, it wouldn't be restored to a powerful, capitalist continent after about ten-twenty years. Think of Russia right now. The socialist state that it once was has been gone for over 15 years, but it's still a mess, economically.

As far as I know, RA and TD are OFFICIALY connected. The problem is that by the official version it were the Allied who won.

Nice point, but i think this probelm can be overridden

BTW, off the topic: Clazzy- Nice signature. Sharp. :)

[assinatin]

i think you have it rite mate

only i think the next one will involve you finding where the tiberium came from and fighting over its homeworld

[MadBadger]

Naaa Tiberium is connected with The Scrin and the tasits (how the flip u spell that?) thats all gona be in TW which has had screenshots remember that odd cannon tank thing? i doubt it will have a huge 'off earth' part maybe on the moon but i think that will be about it at max.

[ChopBam]

Tacitus.
Didn't Tiberium land on the earth after Red Alert?

[MadBadger]

Yes but I also think the 1st Scrin craft may have landed before though (prob roswell)

[assinatin]

ok

what is the tasitus
scrin is the nod ship thingy?

didnt tiberium fall from the sky in td?

[MadBadger]

Well you have to supose that some Tiberum could have fallen before.


Scrin = the aliens that made the scout ship that crashed (i belive) during 1st tiberium war, that NOD got and then that muppet trator took for a joy ride and......... crashed it, in TS.

Tacitus Bit like an alien USB drive got incredible amounts of data on it regarding all things Tiberium. Was onboard the Scrin ship i belive (or found in south america or jungle one of the three) but was broken into three parts that all sides (NOD, Kabal, GDI) managed to get a piece, under GDI win conditions it is compleated and data is being decoded. Then im guessing Tiberium Twilight occurs, Gussing the name comes from the 'end' of tiberum.

[Tesla7zap]

It's like in Star Wars where the later episodes were released first. C&C TD first, then RA... I'm pretty sure they're connected, just read the C&C encyclopedia ( http://www.planetcnc.com/features/encyclopedia/cnccanon/ ) at PCNC. Everything ties up. Generals and RA2 are not connected to the original C&C storyline.

Maybe when Kane is defeated in Tiberian Sun, you see him vaporizing. Maybe he is chronoshifting himself back in time in order to try to win the next time.

Then the planet tiberiumizes, now where did all the FS exclusive plantlife come from? Maybe from the tiberiumization of Earth..

What about the ending in FS, Kane clones himself. In the bible it says that Kane... Or Cain should be avenged 7 times.

"But the Lord said to him, Therefore, if anyone kills Cain he will be avenged seven times. Then the Lord put a sign on Cain so that anyone finding him would not strike him. So Cain went out from the presence of the Lord; and he lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden."

Just some interesting thing to think about.

OK well I'm maybe not making much sense cus I'm pretty tired now... hehe whatever

[MadBadger]

Kane was struck by the ion cannon and scarred in TD (could be meaning sign from the lord)

Eden is belived to be in the middle east or africa so im guessing Kane may 'reapear' in India-china would make sense as niether have been mentioned earlyer in the tiberium saga.

Why must it be kane who is avenged 7 times? cant it be the grneral in the philidelphia? Then TT may involve GDI Vs Scrin Vs Nod reminants Vs Mutants. Would make an intersting game.

[lokey57]

Go to answers.com and search for c&C will you?! GOD YOU GUYS ARE STUPID! Red alert was supposed to be a prequel to the tibeium series. RA3 is needed to connect the RA series to the Tiberium series.

Here are the thories I have.

RA1:Allies:Need to see to interpret but it leads to Ra2
Soviets: Kane takes over and instantly leads it to Tiberium Dawn.
RA2:Allies:Heads to YR
Soviets: Yuri Mcs you as premier, which leads directly to RA3.
YR:Allies:Heads To RA3 in some odd way.
Soviets: Yuri mcs Rexy, and uses his abilities to live, and changes his name to Kane until he's killed in Tiberium Dawn.
RA3:Will connect Tiberium series and Red Alert Series.
Tiberium Dawn:GDI: Kane is killed which leads to Tiberium Sun.
Nod: In someway leads to Tiberium Sun.
Tiberium Sun: GDI:Kane dies again and lies to FS
Nod:They kill solomon with Icbm launchers, tiebrium spreads across the earth, contine to Tiberium Twilight immediatley after this.
Firestorm: GDI:They translate the Tacticus and move onto tibrium twilight.
Nod: Slavik guides the brotherhood to Tiberium Twilight.

[assinatin]

the ra series is before the tiberium series.

[MadBadger]

Mcs ???? wtf.....

in order for you to become premier Yuri must die. :D

Kane isnt killed in TD only scarred

Solomon isnt killed by the ICBMs they only lose contact.

YURI IS DEAD OKAY! AND IF THAT BALD BSRD IS RESURECTED I WILL SERIOSLY FIRE BOMB EA..... as i dont like yuri :D


no one calls me stupid.... crazy yes, mad yes, stupid NO.

[ChopBam]

Go to answers.com and search for c&C will you?! GOD YOU GUYS ARE STUPID! Red alert was supposed to be a prequel to the tibeium series. RA3 is needed to connect the RA series to the Tiberium series.

Wikipedia > Answers.com. More info > less info.

Got that, stupid? ¬¬
RA connected the RA series to the Tiberium series just fine, but more games in between are nice.

BTW, history indicates that when different things happen, different things result. Therefore, an alernate timeline will not lead into the same game, unless its premises allow for it, which I highly doubt coming from a true C&C game.

[chickendippers]

They aren't officially connected yet - there are no clear connections in any of the games.

[MadBadger]

so WTF Kane in RA? :? :s im slightly confused surly Kane is the connection.

[ChopBam]

Um. Yeah, Kane in Red Alert is the giveaway of the connection between RA and C&C.

[The Eagle]

exaclty. There should be a game where they have a big fight, and not just some mod :p

[MadBadger]

I want to know how Tanya dies..... It would be good to see the first Tibeium strikes like the ep of smallville where Luthor corp releases that gas to see your nightmares and Lex's is that hes the prez and he fires off the nukes.

[assinatin]

well that is weird

i think tanya dies of tiberium posonin, no one recovered the body, she will like mutate into a cyborg commando type thing.

[ChopBam]

Tanya = Umagon :p

[assinatin]

yea lol =)

[MadBadger]

ohhhh didnt se that one coming..... makes sense init.

[assinatin]

i dont know wtf ghost stalker is then =(

[The Eagle]

he gets cloned and becomes Chrono Legionarries :p

[lokey57]

Boris=Ghoststalker lol

[assinatin]

nah borus is away fighting sheep for dominance over the 3rd empire

ghost stalker would probubly be the commando in tiberian dawn

[MadBadger]

Or Burton :D

[Agent Saimon]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

People, what is the problem!?

There is a Command and Conquer Series.

The real C&C, which tells the Tiberian Saga (how to check? search for Kane): Red Alert, Tiberian Dawn (C&C1), Renegade, Tiberian Sun, Firestorm.

There is an alternative series, which I think is the biggest mistake of WS (or WW= Westwood). It is called RA series. RA, RA2, Yuri's Revenge. It has NO CONNECTION to Kane, Tiberium, and games mentioned above. Those games (RA2, Revenge) are trash (my opinion) compared to the REAL C&C.

There is another series- Generals. This one has ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION WHAT SO EVER to C&C, to tiberium, to Kane, to westwood. It is a nice series, fun to play but it is not C&C, period.

[MadBadger]

Maybe Uma is Lotus?

[ChopBam]

A.S., we're all just joking around about all those people being the same.

RA is connected to C&C storywise (it is very obvious in the RA movies). However, RA2 is seemingly not connected, as you say. At the time where you say WW screwed up is actually around the time that EA joined the fray. At the time that Generals came out was the time that there was no Westwood anymore.

So, less Westwood and more EA = less leetness and more suckage for C&C. Make sense? It works chronologically. I'm not bashing EA, I just don't think they're the best candidates for handling C&C.

[The Eagle]

My theories reflect that exactly.